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Brock's avatar

"My immediate contention is just that the actually existing right- for whatever reason- prefers the weak over the strong."

I think you meant to type "prefers the strong over the weak".

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Hi Bear.

So I reacted strongly to this title, because I think just about every right-winger would flip the statement and say it's left-wingers who defend the powerful and right-wingers who protect the weak. Now I will prove that with this quiz, which is completely objective and totally fair:

1. I am responsible for my own decisions

2. If I work hard, I should be able to benefit from my hard work.

3. To get ahead in life, sometimes hard work and sacrifices are necessary

4. Some people are just smarter, faster, or more interesting than others.

5. Increased equality of opportunity is beneficial to society

6. If someone else has something I want, I am entitled to take some of it (reverse-scored)

7. It's okay to steal, as long as it's from the correct group (reverse-scored).

8. If I failed at something, it's probably someone else's fault (reverse-scored).

9. The individual is more than just the groups they belong to.

10. All individuals should be given an equal chance in life.

This quiz is

A) politcally aligned

B) if you're being honest, you already know which side.

This *proves* that right wingers are defending the weak, and left wingers are protecting the powerful, right?

Okay, so I was being pithy. But my core disagreement is that your statement is only true *because you're framing the question in a left-wing worldview*. Even talking about groups in this way is already framing the question in a left-wing worldview. Consider #11:

> All groups should be given an equal chance in life. (reverse-scored)

Change 'groups' to 'individuals' and it's suddenly a right-leaning quiz.

I think you *almost* acknowledged this when you talked about the conservative and progressive skirmising over who is representing the strong and who is representing the weak (eg. abortion, guns, hate speech).

The disagreement seems to be about equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome.

Now, both left- and right- believe in both equality-of-opportunity *and* equality-of-outcome, in the general sense.

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A socialist father is walking his young son to school.

Son: Daddy, why are you a socialist?

Father: Well let's see. If you had some bread, and you saw someone who was starving, what would you do?

Son: Well I would give him my bread of course!

Father: You mean, you wouldn't tell him that he should get a job? That he probably brought this on to himself?

Son: No, of course not!

Father: Then you are a socialist.

In the evening, the mother is walking the boy home.

Son: Mommy, why are you a capitalist?

Mother: Well let's see. If you saw someone with some bread, do you think you should be able to take their bread?

Son: No! Of course not!

Mother: Even if you really wanted it?

Son No!

Mother: Then you are a capitalist.

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