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I think there are some big problems with this analysis (some of which you mentioned but I think you understated them).

First, on ACX moral/selfless leftists like utilitarians are VASTLY overrepresented compared to selfish leftists like feminists. Additionally and conversely, selfish rightists like libertarians are VASTLY overrepresented compared to moral/selfless rightists like Christians. You acknowledged one part of this, that the least selfish part of the right is the least represented part, but it's *also* the case that the most selfish part of the right is the most represented part (compared to more ambiguous parts of the right like nationalists and populists), and it's *also* the case that the most selfish part of the left is the least represented part, and it's *also* the case that the least selfish part of the left is the most represented part (compared to more ambiguous parts of the left like socialists and social democrats). I'm categorising selfish/selfless based on the type of language typically used by these movements, e.g. how many times phrases like "I want", "I demand", "my body", "my money", "my rights", and so on are used in their protests and rhetoric, versus how many times they use words like "moral" and "ethical" and advocate subordinating self-interest to the good of society. So the sample is pretty much as biased as possible to getting this result.

Second, you haven't analysed how the strength of left-right belief correlates to altruism: altruists might, for example, be more likely to be 5s than 1s and more likely to be 10s than 6s, even if they're more likely to be "1-5"s than "6-10"s. You haven't disproven that, and no offence intended but your very explicit left-wing views make me a little bit suspicious of cherry-picking without that. (Only a little; this isn't a sarcastic way of saying you're completely untrustworthy).

Third, if you're going to discount the standard results showing conservatives give more on the basis that they're more likely to give to churches, wouldn't you need to also consider that progressives are probably more likely to give to artistic groups and educational institutions? Especially since typically churches use a fair amount of their money on some sort of charity (whether effective or not) while e.g. operas and theatre groups are pretty much by definition using all their donations on producing entertainment for rich people. It gets even worse if you're excluding religious charities (not churches) like World Vision.

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Isha Yiras Hashem's avatar

Your point about the sample is most relevant. Anyone religious who responds to the survey is likely to be an outlier.

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