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Yes of Course's avatar

Not commenting on the substance but critiquing some bad math:

"<1% of Black students score over 700 in the maths SAT. Black people make up 12.4% of the population. This means that Black students are much more than ten times as unlikely to score over 700 than would be representative of their population share."

Pause here. By this logic, since whites are over 50% of population, over 50% of whites should score over 700. Non-sensical. Instead what you need to do is compare % of blacks over 700 with % of total over 700. Or if you insist of using % of population, % of people over 700 who are black vs total % of students who are black.

The actual numbers: 1% of blacks who take SAT score over 700 on Math, vs 9% of total test takers. Same general ballpark you discussed. But just correcting the framing.

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I don't totally disagree with this, but a few points:

1. As we've seen at elite high schools in the US, if you make the selection process purely based on test scores, likely the winners will be majority Asian. In one sense it is very good that you have families coming in as immigrants, easily understanding how to get ahead in society, and then working hard to do so. That said, in the mode of pure politics, majority Asian institutions are very vulnerable politically, which is why many notable elite high schools are being reformed to deliberately have their Asian share reduced.

2. Holistic admissions and ALDC biases would exist without affirmative action, and schools do then because they want to have the biases these processes create, not by accident. I'm very much of the view that, as stated by now-ignored SCOTUS precedent, schools should have to take all other measures to raise class diversity before going to affirmative action, and thus should be forced to scrap ALDC biases before affirmative action goes in place, which is currently not what almost anyone asks of them.

3. Our current system for racial sorting in the US is a kludge. It would advantage the children of Nigerian oil barons but a refugee from Afghanistan or Palestine would likely register as white, and a low-caste Indian immigrant would be treated as Asian, the worst penalty that can be earned. Meanwhile, there's no formal accounting for socioeconomic class, so poor whites typically don't benefit at all.

4. This post is focused on elite institutions, but affirmative action is everywhere. Outside of elite institutions, my impression is that there is more evidence that affirmative action pushes some portion of students into academic challenges they aren't prepared for, leading people who could have been successful graduates to drop out.

5. It's fundamentally strange to me that these schools have been caught engaging in pretty bad discrimination, e.g. the quite offensive texts between NC college admissions officers about Asian students, and yet there is not widespread condemnation of this from the left, and everyone has just accepted that the schools will try to breach the law as much as possible without being in active contempt of court, which is something we accept for few other institiutions.

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