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Corsaren's avatar

I feel like you gesture in this direction a few times, but the reciprocity/iterated game theory/goodwill signaling/reputation argument for prudential altruism has always struck me as decently strong. Basically, there are many circumstances in life where we can only get what we want if others trust and like us, and they are often only willing to do so if we are in good standing and they believe we are trustworthy. While we could act in pure self-interest and only do acts that are or appear altruistic/trusting in order to maintain our reputation, the argument can be made that, psychologically, it's just a lot easier and more effective to do this by just having at least a somewhat altruistic character.

So unless you are an incredibly good actor and you are exceedingly careful to ensure that your acts of selfishness and wrongdoing (which presumably you are still doing, otherwise what's even the point of not being altruistic) cannot come back to haunt you, then being purely self-interested tends to be worse.

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Tyger AC's avatar

Firstly, permit me to congratulate and respect this work, it is indeed in our times, much needed and supremely missing from common discourse. I take the liberty of assuming you refer to a modern understanding of Karuna – the radical responsibility (commitment) to alleviate all suffering and misery, human and non-human alike, of all sentient beings at all times, including enemies and ‘bad actors’.

And so I am with you on this call.

However, that being said, I have some issues I would like to bring to your attention. Most importantly, argument number 5, namely:” I desire to love myself, to be fond of myself, and affirm my own value. By regarding the human species as a whole as intrinsically valuable and worthy of good things, as appropriately treated with love, I affirm my value, because I am a human being.”

By rooting the affirmation of value in self-love, the argument implicitly prioritizes the ego, which is antithetical to karuna’s selfless nature; moreover, a true (and by that I mean radical) act of care, like in the bodhisatava case, flows outwards without seeking personal validation.

Although I greatly appreciate both the sentiment and the ambition, I wonder about humans, a species to which I belong and love, as to their nature and the capacity to become great, compassionate beings. I remain agnostic.

Not wanting to clutter, I shall write an article on the subject.

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