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Sandro's avatar

I mean, "queer" literally means "odd from a conventional standpoint", so most of those qualify.

However, I have to dispute your claim that your better world is "all quite natural". Humans naturally form judgmental cliques, which necessarily entails some intolerance. The better world you want to build is actually the somewhat unnatural one.

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> The right way to combat this is by not giving people brownie points on the basis of their identities anymore, not by narrowing the criteria for which identities grant brownie points.

I agree! But this is probably impossible to 'sell' to anyone that hasn't already 'bought' it.

But these same "brownie points" are also used, at least implicitly, to argue that others (or everyone) should focus on the problems unique (or differentially affecting) to these groups of people. If you stop giving people points on the basis of their identities, that _should_ decrease the attention paid to some of those people.

In my view, the motivation for arguing between 'queer minimalism' versus 'queer maximalism' is _precisely_ because of the (potential) distributional effects of these 'brownie points'.

> Although it doesn’t necessarily prove that I’m right, I thought it could be interesting to review some statistics around suicidality for these groups- as a metric of general social stress.

I don't think this is entirely a bad metric, but it's certainly possible that there's (some) 'reverse causation'.

> We can pretty safely say that, to the degree that mental health and suicidality are measures of quality of life, asexuals and bisexuals do not, on average, have it easy. Arguments over which groups have it worse are pointless.

This is confusing. You're using suicidality as a proxy for "social stress" so you're already 'arguing over which groups have it worse', but you're ignoring the obvious comparison you're making to _non-members_ of these groups, e.g. cisgendered, heterosexual people.

I'd think either the comparison is 'valid' (to any significant degree) or not. It seems pretty purely political to qualify that it's "pointless" to make comparisons among these 'special' groups, but that's it's NOT pointless to compare these groups to yet other 'non-special' groups. That seems pointlessly inconsistent (at least epistemically). (And it makes it seem like even you can't quite escape awarding brownie points yourself.)

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