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Leaf's avatar

Why is our culture more worried about trans women than trans men? Because women are significantly physically weaker than men, so *if* transwomen are really just men pretending to be women (note, this is not what I think) that is potentially very dangerous for women, but if transmen are just women pretending to be men, that poses no threat to anyone but the transman himself.

Given that, I think both the potential definitions you give for "woman" are wrong. “Person with XX chromosomes” fails for the reasons you mention; what chromosomes someone has is not at all relevant to how they present and behave in everyday situations, even if it may be strongly correlated with it. But “a person who identifies and wishes to affiliate with a particular cultural category of womanhood” is also bad, for similar reasons. I don't care any more what someone "identifies as" or "wishes to affiliate with" than I do about what chromosomes they have. What I care about is how they actually present and behave. I'm a woman, and if I've been assigned to share a room with someone, what I care about is mainly that they lack a penis. If I'm competing in sports against someone, I care that they've been drawn from the same normal distribution of athletic ability that I have. If they want me to call them "she", I care that they've adopted the general physical and behavioral characteristics of a woman, or are at least trying (understanding that this should be considered to have a pretty wide variety; however if you have a full beard, I'm not going to consider you a woman no matter what you claim to identify as).

A whale can be a fish, but a tiger can't. Most of the trans people I know try quite hard to pass, and I don't just call them by their preferred pronouns to be polite; I genuinely think of them as members of the gender they present as. I don't think the medical technology is there yet for transwomen to compete on a level playing field with cis women in most sports, but I hope and expect that it will improve. Biological determinism is not the way forward, but neither is pure self-id; you need to actually attain the characteristics of a woman to be treated as one.

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I have three questions:

1. Don't you think that there are some circumstances where a biological definition makes sense. For example drug dosage recommendations. It would not be smart to use the trans-inclusive definition of man and potentially overdose patients.

There are some parts of live where our current definition of the word "women" makes sense and is practical.

2. What do you believe trans women want to become/be?

If the words don't have any real connection to facts, then why do trans women want to be called woman? Why don't they just keep getting called man, but define the term man, so that it fits their description of themselves? The answer is simple, they want to be woman. In the sense everybody understands it today. Not some wired specific definition about chromosomes, just the general term every 1st grader understands.

So by defining the word "Woman" as "Everybody who defines as a woman" don't you destroy the idea of trans women? I struggle when I get asked what I think a "Man" is or a "Woman", but I guess trans people should have a feeling for it. This new definition would be kind of empty.

3. Why should the anti-trans people give in, not the trans people?

How can one definition be more morally virtuous than the other. Let's say we define woman by having tow X Chromosomes. Then the today trans women could accept thats something they just don't are and move on with their live. They still could fight for addition rights, like using the women bathroom, they don't need to be woman for that. I dont see a factual difference and therefore no moral difference.

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