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I think this is an interesting start for investigation. You have described how one can move from a value system to a "neighboring" one; in your case, a system that has a lot of overlap with the one you started with. This misses out, though, I think on a more radical phenomenon that happens all the time: people moving from value systems to ones completely opposite, or at least orthogonal. One of the things Nietzsche attempts is an undermining of the Christian/slave morality, and replacing it with his very different idea of "aristocratic" or Homeric values. Given his immense influence, he managed to deliver that emotional shock and re-orientation of value to many people. We can look into other moments of history like the sixties, for instance, where some sections of society re-oriented their values into sometimes opposing values. Or we can even go to the Christian movement itself that re-oriented the Roman Empire. Now my question is, how is that possible? how does this process work?

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> You might find that one system of values is very vulnerable to being rationalized- manipulated to get the result you want- due to the intricacy of its fine distinctions and casuistry

This has been a really, really important life change for me. Hard-and-fast moral systems are much easier to stick to than calculate-every-possible-factor systems, not least because of bias. A while ago, I noticed that whenever I made a tricky ethical decision (e.g. should I tell my friend's girlfriend that he is cheating on her), and used utilitarianism, I would end up wrong. Either because I made a factually incorrect prediction (e.g. "if I don't tell her, she won't find out") or because my estimates of the utility were wrong (e.g. "if she doesn't know, she'll be happier"), or because I steered my estimates to whichever action would be easier or better for me.

I've had the same feelings with regard to vegetarianism -- it's been easier to just have a simple rule that I follow consistently, rather than constantly trying to evaluate the harm of every meal offered at a restaurant.

There's a Terry Pratchett quote that really pushed me to this conclusion: "If you did it for a good reason, you’d do it for a bad one, and eventually, you wouldn't need a reason at all."

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