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Morgan's avatar

This is an interesting question!

I do think you may be wrongly implying that consequentialism and Nietzschean selfishness are the only options. I'm thinking of how an extremely kind, compassionate, and thoughtful Christian online friend of mine would answer these questions. He fully accepts the Christian ideal of universal love--he's the furthest thing in the world from a Nietzschean--but is aggressively anti-consequentialist in his moral views.

For 1), he would absolutely *not* press the button to kill ten other children to save his own--since killing innocent people would be inherently, deontologically evil, even if for an altruistic cause. (Unlike a consequentialist, though, he'd be equally unwilling to kill *one* innocent person to save ten others.)

For 2), I know for a fact that he *would* choose to save his own loved one over the life-saving scientist. Indeed, he'd go further than this--he once told me that he would choose to save his own child over some large number (I don't remember which one) of other innocent children, if he was forced to choose. He said that this would be the objectively morally correct thing to do, not because his own children were inherently more valuable, but because we have special moral obligations to those close to us. But, as an deontologist, he makes a fundental moral distinction between merely *not helping* and actively *harming*.

For 3), I *don't* think he would choose to save a smaller number of his own fellow-citizens rather than a larger number of foreigners, since he's generally negative about nationalism--but I'm less sure about this than the other questions.

For 4), he would *definitely* choose to have a much-larger sum spent aiding the starving than given to himself. This question almost seems too easy--it's a pure issue of selfishness, not the more challenging one of 'groupishness', of special moral obligations to those close to you. Asking if people would prefer a smaller sum be given to the poor *in their own community* rather than a larger sum to those in greater need abroad would be a better way of getting at the difference in moral intuitions here.

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John Quiggin's avatar

Haidt is a bad faith actor, the kind referred to on the Internet as a "concern troll". He presents as a liberal, but his aim is to normalize bad behavior by conservatives. Pre-Trump, this was done by positing a concern for decency and legitimate authority, now it's more about in-group loyalty

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