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Woolie Wool's avatar

I wonder how this tracks with "pride" in the old Christian sense? The way early Christians talk about pride often makes it sound outright malicious, a feeling of lording it over others, a feeling of being *like* God rather than worshiping God. And then there is the original Greek concept of hubris, which involved not just pride but elevating oneself by destroying the honor of another free man (obviously this is problematic due to the nature of honor in a patriarchal, slaveholding society, but that's beside the point). As defined by Aristotle:

"...to cause shame to the victim, not in order that anything may happen to you, nor because anything has happened to you, but merely for your own gratification. Hubris is not the requital of past injuries; this is revenge. As for the pleasure in hubris, its cause is this: naive men think that by ill-treating others they make their own superiority the greater."

Obviously neither of these are exact fits, but they seem like they're in the ballpark. Also I can't help but pronounce it "eev-kneh", like it's Swedish, perhaps because it looks like the name Yngve.

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Chris Schuck's avatar

This seems valuable not only as an new concept, but as an example of how emotion concepts in particular can help us see familiar social phenomena in a new way. Maybe the distinction from schadenfreude relates to the abstractness of the target: yvne is not about anyone in particular (let alone someone you have personal baggage with), but a generic group of lesser-offs. Envy is similarly abstract in theory, but by its very nature probably more charged and focused in practice: you *want* something others have, *resent* them for having it, whereas those with yvne have the luxury to lord it over people without really thinking about it that hard or specifically.

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