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ken taylor's avatar

actually you misinterpreted the numbers as being reuters numbers,, Reuter's reports the numbers as having been cited on line and says the numbers are false. sorry don't mean to be overly argumentative.

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ken taylor's avatar

I agree absolutely.

Is there a link to read the Jordan Scott article. I cannot gain access as a private individual apparently

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Scott's avatar

I see an argument for personal racism affecting everybody in FBI interracial homicide rates; too dark for this conversation, maybe; sorry. "According to the FBI’s Expanded Homicide data from 2018... 80.7% of the murders of white people were committed by white offenders (2,677 of a total of 3,315) while 15.5% of the murders of white people were committed by Black offenders (514)... 8% of the reported murders of Black people were committed by white offenders (234 of a total of 2,925) and 88.9% by Black offenders (2,600).

FBI data from 2017 also follows this trend: 80.2% of white victims were killed by white offenders, 8.9% of Black victims were killed by whites, 88.5% of Black victims were killed by Blacks, and 16.1% of whites were killed by Blacks." https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-data-racial-murder-idUSKCN24I2A9

So, blacks kill whites roughly proportionally to their population percentage of ~14%, while whites - 58% - do not reciprocate proportionally; 8%. Using homicide as a metric for violence, let alone racism, might be unreasonable, though; what do you think?

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ken taylor's avatar

There is another way to analyze your statistics. They are not from the FBI. When these statististics were released as being from The FBI, and I am aware of the original source, but they were published on WikiData, the FBI responded by saying the information is untrue when queried. If you had read to the last paragraph of your source (Reuters you would have read that already.) I had encountered the data on Wiki some time back and had checked with them, and they did not give me a complete breakdown,but they gave me a broad trend. First of all there were nearly four times the number of total murders as your stats suggests. Of those murders, there was a much a higher percentage of black murders against other blacks, but 0 murders by blacks committed against whites were termed "racially motivated" while there were several reports of "racially motivated" crimes by whites that were not broken down by minority category.

But please if you are going to publish a source, make sure you read the complete article and don't get titillated by the opening.

"Fact check: False data on U.S. racial murder rates

"Users on social media are sharing an image that features misleading data on black and white murder rates. Based on existing U.S. government data, all the figures are false.

VERDICT

False. FBI data does not support the numbers put forth in this claim on interracial crime and police killings. Most U.S. murders for white and Black victims are intraracial.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here ."

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-data-racial-murder-idUSKCN24I2A9

PS. the info on wiki has been removed.

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Scott's avatar

I cited the Reuters numbers, as you can see above, not the meme numbers.

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Scott's avatar

", if Scott is right and I are right"

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Philosophy bear's avatar

Ahh, what a lapse. Fixed, cheers.

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